Just stopped in to say hello.

Rodd

Hi Rodd,

> Just stopped in to say hello.

You are always welcome here, even if just to say hello 

I wish you everything going well.

Regards,

Pablo Botella

"Rodd Graham" <rgraham@grahamautomation.com> wrote in news:4c2c79fa
$7bd2404f$114f3@news.alaska-software.com:

> Just stopped in to say hello.

Longing for a simpler time? 
We miss you, you're always welcome here!

Best regards,
Boris Borzic

http://xb2.net
http://sqlexpress.net
industrial strength Xbase++ development tools

I think the 'simpler time' might have been 30 years ago when software had 
less than 64k ram and networking required carrier tones. 

Still maintaining the legacy Xbase++ app for my client as it is just too big 
and complex to port within their budgetary constraints.  Otherwise 
freelancing in the VB6/.NET/Delphi arenas maintaining legagy projects. 
Nevertheless, I do miss the smaller community associated with Xbase++...

How has it been going for all of you?

Seeing much progress in the Xbase++ development?

Rodd

<Boris Borzic> wrote in message 
news:Xns9F27592CC7813SQLExpress@87.106.143.233...
> "Rodd Graham" <rgraham@grahamautomation.com> wrote in news:4c2c79fa
> $7bd2404f$114f3@news.alaska-software.com:
>
>> Just stopped in to say hello.
>
> Longing for a simpler time? 
> We miss you, you're always welcome here!
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Boris Borzic
>
> http://xb2.net
> http://sqlexpress.net
> industrial strength Xbase++ development tools

"Rodd Graham" <rgraham@grahamautomation.com> wrote in
news:40ac469f$3c9627bb$14d11@news.alaska-software.com: 

> I think the 'simpler time' might have been 30 years ago when software
> had less than 64k ram and networking required carrier tones. 

I don't recall that being a simpler time . We were still learning, the 
tools were not very good, and things kept changing too fast. There was 
always a sense of insecurity.

> Still maintaining the legacy Xbase++ app for my client as it is just
> too big and complex to port within their budgetary constraints. 
> Otherwise freelancing in the VB6/.NET/Delphi arenas maintaining legagy
> projects. Nevertheless, I do miss the smaller community associated
> with Xbase++... 

Although some may see it as a drawback, the smaller community definitely 
has it's advantages. For example, you know where to go in order to get 
help. 
 
> How has it been going for all of you?
> Seeing much progress in the Xbase++ development?

For me personally, things are great. I have a set of tools that I know 
quite well, are very stable and I have some control over. I'm not wasting 
time QA testing someone else's tools or learning how to do basic things. 
I think one of the smartest decisions we made about 13 yrs ago was to not 
use the Xbase++ GUI and database drivers (these were, and probably still 
are, the most problematic components). The Xbase++ compiler is great 
(multithreaded, simple, and compact). My applications are quite modern & 
easy to install and maintain - just copy exe and dll's into a folder. No 
need to install megabytes of runtime dependencies which then get modified 
by windows update and no longer work exactly the same as before. Some 
people call that progress, but then you are constantly chasing a dream. 
I remember one of those ads in the old Clipper days with the programmer 
wearing a Hawaiian shirt sitting on a beach. I have a picture of the ad 
in my mind, but don't recall who the advertiser was.

Kind regards,
Boris Borzic

http://xb2.net
http://sqlexpress.net
industrial strength Xbase++ development tools

>> I think the 'simpler time' might have been 30 years ago when software
>> had less than 64k ram and networking required carrier tones. 
>
> I don't recall that being a simpler time . We were still learning, the
> tools were not very good, and things kept changing too fast. There was
> always a sense of insecurity.
>

Yes, but the complexity was several magnitudes lower.  Besides things are 
still changing too fast except in the xBase++ world.  Fortunately I think 
VM's will ensure that legacy software can survive going forward. I was even 
surprised a few years ago to find someone made a C64 emulator for Windows. 
Showed my brother and he spent 16 hours straight reliving his childhood 
playing 1980's video games.

>> How has it been going for all of you?
>> Seeing much progress in the Xbase++ development?
>
> For me personally, things are great. I have a set of tools that I know
> quite well, are very stable and I have some control over. I'm not wasting
> time QA testing someone else's tools or learning how to do basic things.
> I think one of the smartest decisions we made about 13 yrs ago was to not
> use the Xbase++ GUI and database drivers (these were, and probably still
> are, the most problematic components). The Xbase++ compiler is great
> (multithreaded, simple, and compact). My applications are quite modern &
> easy to install and maintain - just copy exe and dll's into a folder. No
> need to install megabytes of runtime dependencies which then get modified
> by windows update and no longer work exactly the same as before. Some
> people call that progress, but then you are constantly chasing a dream.
> I remember one of those ads in the old Clipper days with the programmer
> wearing a Hawaiian shirt sitting on a beach. I have a picture of the ad
> in my mind, but don't recall who the advertiser was.

FWIW, I am able to deliver COM applications by copy of dll/exe/manifest to 
WinXPsp2 or better.  Obviously .NET can also install by copy so long as the 
underlying runtime is already there.

I assume you use HTML and XB2NET primarily for your user interface?  SQL 
Express for your database?  About the same here as you know I use a 
customized version of XB2NET and a homegrown ACE/ADSDBE/ORM combination. 
The application I maintained has largely be reduced to a processing engine 
that third parties are calling from .NET frontends.  The trick was reverse 
engineering the WSDL and SOAP from .NET to make it easy and transparent for 
the clients.

Later,

Rodd

"Rodd Graham" <rgraham@grahamautomation.com> wrote in
news:477f2ddd$5660591f$54a6@news.alaska-software.com: 

> I assume you use HTML and XB2NET primarily for your user interface? 
> SQL Express for your database?  About the same here as you know I use
> a customized version of XB2NET and a homegrown ACE/ADSDBE/ORM
> combination. The application I maintained has largely be reduced to a
> processing engine that third parties are calling from .NET frontends. 
> The trick was reverse engineering the WSDL and SOAP from .NET to make
> it easy and transparent for the clients.

I have a client that has done almost exactly as you. The plan was to slowly 
replace all Xbase++ code with C# by using SOAP to call functions within 
each language. That was about 7 years ago - they found out there are some 
things better/easier to do in Xbase++, so they continue to use both tools.  

Cheers,
Boris Borzic

http://xb2.net
http://sqlexpress.net
industrial strength Xbase++ development tools

On 7/20/2011 5:19 AM, Boris Borzic wrote:
> "Rodd Graham"<rgraham@grahamautomation.com>  wrote in
> news:40ac469f$3c9627bb$14d11@news.alaska-software.com:
>
>> I think the 'simpler time' might have been 30 years ago when software
>> had less than 64k ram and networking required carrier tones.
>
> I don't recall that being a simpler time. We were still learning, the
> tools were not very good, and things kept changing too fast. There was
> always a sense of insecurity.
>
>> Still maintaining the legacy Xbase++ app for my client as it is just
>> too big and complex to port within their budgetary constraints.
>> Otherwise freelancing in the VB6/.NET/Delphi arenas maintaining legagy
>> projects. Nevertheless, I do miss the smaller community associated
>> with Xbase++...
>
> Although some may see it as a drawback, the smaller community definitely
> has it's advantages. For example, you know where to go in order to get
> help.
>
>> How has it been going for all of you?
>> Seeing much progress in the Xbase++ development?
>
> For me personally, things are great. I have a set of tools that I know
> quite well, are very stable and I have some control over. I'm not wasting
> time QA testing someone else's tools or learning how to do basic things.
> I think one of the smartest decisions we made about 13 yrs ago was to not
> use the Xbase++ GUI and database drivers (these were, and probably still
> are, the most problematic components). The Xbase++ compiler is great
> (multithreaded, simple, and compact). My applications are quite modern&
> easy to install and maintain - just copy exe and dll's into a folder. No
> need to install megabytes of runtime dependencies which then get modified
> by windows update and no longer work exactly the same as before. Some
> people call that progress, but then you are constantly chasing a dream.
> I remember one of those ads in the old Clipper days with the programmer
> wearing a Hawaiian shirt sitting on a beach. I have a picture of the ad
> in my mind, but don't recall who the advertiser was.
>
Hi Boris:
I remember that ad you are referring to.
Wasn't it "Programmer's Paradise" ?

Allen Lee <lee@infopro.ca> wrote in
news:7029782e$6275fa97$f989@news.alaska-software.com: 

>> I remember one of those ads in the old Clipper days with the
>> programmer wearing a Hawaiian shirt sitting on a beach. I have a
>> picture of the ad in my mind, but don't recall who the advertiser
>> was. 
>>
> I remember that ad you are referring to.
> Wasn't it "Programmer's Paradise" ?
> 

Yes, that's what I was thinking. I'm pretty sure the ad was in the
Programmer's Paradise catalog, just don't remember who the owner of the
ad was. Maybe it was indeed an ad for the Programmer's Paradise. 

Best regards,
Boris Borzic

http://xb2.net
http://sqlexpress.net
industrial strength Xbase++ development tools

Boris Borzic wrote in news:Xns9F2D4D66562F5SQLExpress@87.106.143.233:

Programmer's Paradise ?? 


SOunds like it might have been Brian Feldman ??

> Allen Lee <lee@infopro.ca> wrote in
> news:7029782e$6275fa97$f989@news.alaska-software.com: 
> 
>>> I remember one of those ads in the old Clipper days with the
>>> programmer wearing a Hawaiian shirt sitting on a beach. I have a
>>> picture of the ad in my mind, but don't recall who the advertiser
>>> was. 
>>>
>> I remember that ad you are referring to.
>> Wasn't it "Programmer's Paradise" ?
>> 
> 
> Yes, that's what I was thinking. I'm pretty sure the ad was in the
> Programmer's Paradise catalog, just don't remember who the owner of the
> ad was. Maybe it was indeed an ad for the Programmer's Paradise. 
>

>Programmer's Paradise ?? 
>SOunds like it might have been Brian Feldman ??

Brian Feldman runs Grafxsoft.  I think it was PP that had that ad, but
I don't know who the owner was.


Regards,
Clayton

Clayton Jones   www.cjcom.net 
 Top-Down Library for Xbase++
 X-DBU Database Utility   
 X-MEMO Memo Field Replacement
NEW "X" PRODUCT (coming soon)

Hello

Rodd Graham wrote:

> Just stopped in to say hello.

Hi Rodd