I am curious if most of you all still use Command (or CMD)
to navigate directories and files.  If not, do you use
explorer or some other utility?

The reason I am asking is because (as you know) when you DEL
*.* in a directory via Command (or CMD) the files do not go
to the Recycle Bin.  A programmer here deleted all the
clipper source for one of our customer's DOS applications
and could not retrieve the data because he was using CMD.  I
did have yesterdays backup of the clipper server to rely on,
but we lost all the changes he made prior to the mishap. 

I am downloading a demo of servant salamander now to try,
but I would love to hear how you all do it.

- richard hankins

"It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money"

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:17:31 -0600, Richard L. Hankins, Jr.
wrote:

> I am curious if most of you all still use Command (or CMD)
> to navigate directories and files.  If not, do you use
> explorer or some other utility?
> 
> The reason I am asking is because (as you know) when you DEL
> *.* in a directory via Command (or CMD) the files do not go
> to the Recycle Bin.  A programmer here deleted all the
> clipper source for one of our customer's DOS applications
> and could not retrieve the data because he was using CMD.  I
> did have yesterdays backup of the clipper server to rely on,
> but we lost all the changes he made prior to the mishap. 
> 
> I am downloading a demo of servant salamander now to try,
> but I would love to hear how you all do it.

Well, I ruled out servant salamander... I guess I just want
something that is similar to a dos box... something where I
can navigate like in dos... i.e. CD SOURCE.. and it goes to
source... Servant Salamander won't let me do this... ya got
to SH_F7 to change directory, it won't interpret the command
for me.

- richard hankins

"He who stays calm in the face of chaos doesnt understand
the severity of the situation!"

I use 4Dos. It is the flat out best command shell there is. But what you 
really need is a recovery program. Like the old PCtools and Norton had. 
Those tools still work with FAT systems but personally don't know of any 
for the newer file systems. Should be out there some where.

As to the programmer I'd take the keys of his computer away

Jim


Richard L. Hankins, Jr. wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:17:31 -0600, Richard L. Hankins, Jr.
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>I am curious if most of you all still use Command (or CMD)
>>to navigate directories and files.  If not, do you use
>>explorer or some other utility?
>>
>>The reason I am asking is because (as you know) when you DEL
>>*.* in a directory via Command (or CMD) the files do not go
>>to the Recycle Bin.  A programmer here deleted all the
>>clipper source for one of our customer's DOS applications
>>and could not retrieve the data because he was using CMD.  I
>>did have yesterdays backup of the clipper server to rely on,
>>but we lost all the changes he made prior to the mishap. 
>>
>>I am downloading a demo of servant salamander now to try,
>>but I would love to hear how you all do it.
> 
> 
> Well, I ruled out servant salamander... I guess I just want
> something that is similar to a dos box... something where I
> can navigate like in dos... i.e. CD SOURCE.. and it goes to
> source... Servant Salamander won't let me do this... ya got
> to SH_F7 to change directory, it won't interpret the command
> for me.
>

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:47:50 -0500, James Loughner wrote:

> I use 4Dos.

	I will check it out... right now I am downloading 4NT and
	TakeCommand from www.jpsoft.com But I will look at 4Dos 
	Next

> As to the programmer I'd take the keys of his computer away
	Well if he wasn't so darned productive I would do that 
	But I think alot of our Clipper customers would be angry.
	One day I might have to port him over to the DARK side 					
	with me (Xb).

- richard hankins

"The best way to find a lost item is to buy a new one."

Same thing 4NT is just the NT+ version
Jim

Richard L. Hankins, Jr. wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:47:50 -0500, James Loughner wrote:
> 
> 
>>I use 4Dos.
> 
> 
> 	I will check it out... right now I am downloading 4NT and
> 	TakeCommand from www.jpsoft.com But I will look at 4Dos 
> 	Next
> 
> 
>>As to the programmer I'd take the keys of his computer away
> 
> 	Well if he wasn't so darned productive I would do that 
> 	But I think alot of our Clipper customers would be angry.
> 	One day I might have to port him over to the DARK side 					
> 	with me (Xb).
> 
>

Hi,

>I use 4Dos. It is the flat out best command shell there is. But what you 
>really need is a recovery program. Like the old PCtools and Norton had. 
>Those tools still work with FAT systems but personally don't know of any 
>for the newer file systems. Should be out there some where.
Hmm, try 4-NT, my all-time favorite tool! it is 4dos for NT. works on
all kinds of file-system without any problem.

>>>I am curious if most of you all still use Command (or CMD)
>>>to navigate directories and files.  If not, do you use
>>>explorer or some other utility?
Just give 4-NT a try. (look at : www.jpsoft.com ) it is an command
shell, with a lot off extra power in it.

>>>The reason I am asking is because (as you know) when you DEL
>>>*.* in a directory via Command (or CMD) the files do not go
>>>to the Recycle Bin.  A programmer here deleted all the
>>>clipper source for one of our customer's DOS applications
>>>and could not retrieve the data because he was using CMD.  I
>>>did have yesterdays backup of the clipper server to rely on,
>>>but we lost all the changes he made prior to the mishap. 
4-nt can be told to dell to recycle bin!

>>>I am downloading a demo of servant salamander now to try,
>>>but I would love to hear how you all do it.
This is also a very nice tool, It makes a nice addition to the 4-nt.
Sometimes the mouse is just a bit easier.

Regards
Sander Elias

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:47:06 +0100, Sander Elias wrote:

> 4-nt can be told to dell to recycle bin!

Well, it can if you are working on a local drive.  The stuff that got
deleted was on a remote drive.  Windows will not let you store information
from a networked drive in your recycle bin. It is a limitation of the API
that deletes stuff to the Recycle Bin.

- richard hankins

"Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?"

>Well, it can if you are working on a local drive.  The stuff that got
>deleted was on a remote drive.  Windows will not let you store information
>from a networked drive in your recycle bin. It is a limitation of the API
>that deletes stuff to the Recycle Bin.
Of coarse, but that goes for any windows utility. I don't know any
that support the recycle bin on a network drive. 
If you want more control over that, there are utils that make that
possible. I don't know the name right out of my head, but if you want
I can look it up for you.

Regards
Sander Elias

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:37:54 +0100, Sander Elias wrote:

>>Well, it can if you are working on a local drive.  The stuff that got
>>deleted was on a remote drive.  Windows will not let you store information
>>from a networked drive in your recycle bin. It is a limitation of the API
>>that deletes stuff to the Recycle Bin.
> Of coarse, but that goes for any windows utility. I don't know any
> that support the recycle bin on a network drive. 
> If you want more control over that, there are utils that make that
> possible. I don't know the name right out of my head, but if you want
> I can look it up for you.
> 
> Regards
> Sander Elias

I would be very interested in that, I have spent many hours looking for such
a utility, but I always come up with NIL.

- richard hankins

"When dog food is new and improved tasting, who tests it?"

hi,

> I would be very interested in that, I have spent many hours looking for
such
> a utility, but I always come up with NIL.

http://www.executivesoftware.com .

greetings by OHR
Jimmy

Hi,
>
>http://www.executivesoftware.com .
>
That would be the one, 
here is a direct link to the undelete util:
http://www.executivesoftware.com/file-recovery/file-recovery.asp

Regards
Sander Elias

Sander Elias wrote:

> Of coarse, but that goes for any windows utility. I don't know any
> that support the recycle bin on a network drive. 

Well, it is not a windows utility, but Novell NetWare does that right out
of the box since ages... a functionality that Microsoft now tried to
duplicate with the shadow volume copy service in Windows Server 2003.

Thomas

Richard,

> Well, I ruled out servant salamander... I guess I just want
> something that is similar to a dos box... something where I
> can navigate like in dos... i.e. CD SOURCE.. and it goes to
> source... Servant Salamander won't let me do this... ya got
> to SH_F7 to change directory, it won't interpret the command
> for me.

Try again:

TAB takes you to the other pane, but CTRL-TAB takes you to the command-line
at the bottom, where you can enter anything you can on the CMD command
line.

Additionally, there are some useful directory navigation keys in the panes:

CTRL-PGUP  - up one higher directory
HOME       - top of listing (usually '..' directory)
CTRL-HOME  - topmost file

Also, you can setup hot-paths.  From a directory you go to frequently,
enter CTRL-SH-n where n is a number from 0-9, and in the config screen edit
the name for this hot-path to make it more friendly.  Then whenever you
want to go there again, just type CTRL-n where n is the number you
associated with the hot-path.

Finally, the one you will use a lot is CTRL-/, which will pop-up a CMD box
in the current directory.

Regards,

Phil Ide

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hi,

> The reason I am asking is because (as you know) when you DEL
> *.* in a directory via Command (or CMD) the files do not go
> to the Recycle Bin.  A programmer here deleted all the

the M$ "Recycle Bin" does not work under "DOS" (command / CMD)

> and could not retrieve the data because he was using CMD.  I
> did have yesterdays backup of the clipper server to rely on,

what Server ? ( it woud be to easy if it is a Novell Server ...)

> but we lost all the changes he made prior to the mishap.

can only be 1 Day ?

 > I am downloading a demo of servant salamander now to try,
> but I would love to hear how you all do it.

i do not know "servant salamander", but first Question is :
from where do you run "undelete" ? Workstation or Server ?
if it is a workstation only you can try a lot of tools to "undelete",
but if it is the Server ...

the only "recycle bin" for M$ 200x Server i know is Undelete Server Edition
4.0 Build 096 from http://www.executivesoftware.com .

greetings by OHR
Jimmy

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:17:31 -0600, Richard L. Hankins, Jr. wrote:

> I am downloading a demo of servant salamander now to try,
> but I would love to hear how you all do it.

Wasted time, there is no software strong enough to avoid
Murphys Law 

Thomas

Xbase++ FAQ : www.software-braun.de/xbasecentral/xbfaq/
"If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything."
                -- Abraham Lincoln

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:17:31 -0600, Richard L. Hankins, Jr. wrote:

> I am downloading a demo of servant salamander now to try,
> but I would love to hear how you all do it.

Hi Richard,

Definitely a good choice. I am using it since years now and it keeps
getting better.

Raymond Fischbach
Belgium
http://www.mouches.org

Try FAR www.rarsoft.com

it is a console application and is very very fast and has a lot of plugins
and once you learn the hotkeys you will never work without it.
For me it is really a must have.

Best Regards,
Simone

"Raymond Fischbach" <r_fischbach@tvcablenet.be> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:13mfuh6tyksh3$.wo41rkwkpu76.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:17:31 -0600, Richard L. Hankins, Jr. wrote:
>
> > I am downloading a demo of servant salamander now to try,
> > but I would love to hear how you all do it.
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Definitely a good choice. I am using it since years now and it keeps
> getting better.
>
> -- 
> Raymond Fischbach
> Belgium
> http://www.mouches.org

"Richard L. Hankins, Jr." <RHankins@ContactASI.com>
>
>I am curious if most of you all still use Command (or CMD)
>to navigate directories and files.  If not, do you use
>explorer or some other utility?
>
>The reason I am asking is because (as you know) when you DEL
>*.* in a directory via Command (or CMD) the files do not go
>to the Recycle Bin. 

Try Ztree.com

There are two states of computer life: LBZ and LAZ 
   (Life Before Ztree and Life After Ztree).


Regards,
Clayton

Clayton Jones   www.cjcom.net 
 Top-Down Library for Xbase++
 X-DBU Database Utility   
 X-MEMO Memo Field Replacement

> did have yesterdays backup of the clipper server to rely on,
> but we lost all the changes he made prior to the mishap. 

May I just add a additional idea: use a version control system (VCS), for
example Subversion:

http://subversion.tigris.org

It's probably the same as doing a backup. But (hopefully) your programmer
uses it more often (for example with every compiler run).

Sebastian