Hi,

I'm using postie to send emails from clipper application. The Clipper 
application creates a batch file and
I use RUN CALL to run the batch file which include the postie with all its 
parameters.

No problems when running postie under win 98.

When running under win xp i receive an error: "PROGRAM TOO BIG TO FIT IN 
MEMORY"
The RAM is 2 Giga. I've tried 3 versions of postie.exe

When running the batch file (while the application is still running) 
directly from the command line it works OK.



Any idea?





Thanks,

Moshe Yarden

Hello Moshe,

> I'm using postie to send emails from clipper application. The Clipper
> application creates a batch file and
> I use RUN CALL to run the batch file which include the postie with all
> its
> parameters.
> No problems when running postie under win 98.
> 
> When running under win xp i receive an error: "PROGRAM TOO BIG TO FIT
> IN
> MEMORY"
> The RAM is 2 Giga. I've tried 3 versions of postie.exe
> When running the batch file (while the application is still running)
> directly from the command line it works OK.
> 
> Any idea?

Any chance your batch file is not running and the "PROGRAM TOO BIG" is refering 
to the command processor?

It appears like Postie is not a MsDos application, so I would think the problem 
would be Clipper having enough room in the NTVDM to load the command processor 
to run the batch script.

Regards,

Rodd Graham, Consultant
Graham Automation Systems, LLC

Hi Rodd,

Thanks.

You might be right. I don't know for sure. I attach the message I get.
It does run under win98 but not under winXP.

And as I wrote: when I execute the batch file (postie is a command line 
application), while the clipper application is still on, I don't get the 
error message
and it send the message.

Is there a way to manipulate the NTVDM ?


Thanks,
Moshe Yarden




"Rodd Graham" <rgraham@grahamautomation.com> wrote in message 
news:6c56a922366898ca1f1c06faa251@news.alaska-software.com...
> Hello Moshe,
>
>> I'm using postie to send emails from clipper application. The Clipper
>> application creates a batch file and
>> I use RUN CALL to run the batch file which include the postie with all
>> its
>> parameters.
>> No problems when running postie under win 98.
>>
>> When running under win xp i receive an error: "PROGRAM TOO BIG TO FIT
>> IN
>> MEMORY"
>> The RAM is 2 Giga. I've tried 3 versions of postie.exe
>> When running the batch file (while the application is still running)
>> directly from the command line it works OK.
>>
>> Any idea?
>
> Any chance your batch file is not running and the "PROGRAM TOO BIG" is 
> refering
> to the command processor?
>
> It appears like Postie is not a MsDos application, so I would think the 
> problem
> would be Clipper having enough room in the NTVDM to load the command 
> processor
> to run the batch script.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rodd Graham, Consultant
> Graham Automation Systems, LLC
>
> 

Hi Moshe:
good afternoon.
The batch file is started by a copy of cmd.exe (type in DOS PROMPT cmd /? for seeing).
If you call some program that run cmd again you may stay in a recursive loo.

Beling
Cheers

Moshe Yarden escreveu:
> Hi Rodd,
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> You might be right. I don't know for sure. I attach the message I get.
> It does run under win98 but not under winXP.
> 
> And as I wrote: when I execute the batch file (postie is a command line 
> application), while the clipper application is still on, I don't get the 
> error message
> and it send the message.
> 
> Is there a way to manipulate the NTVDM ?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Moshe Yarden
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Rodd Graham" <rgraham@grahamautomation.com> wrote in message 
> news:6c56a922366898ca1f1c06faa251@news.alaska-software.com...
>> Hello Moshe,
>>
>>> I'm using postie to send emails from clipper application. The Clipper
>>> application creates a batch file and
>>> I use RUN CALL to run the batch file which include the postie with all
>>> its
>>> parameters.
>>> No problems when running postie under win 98.
>>>
>>> When running under win xp i receive an error: "PROGRAM TOO BIG TO FIT
>>> IN
>>> MEMORY"
>>> The RAM is 2 Giga. I've tried 3 versions of postie.exe
>>> When running the batch file (while the application is still running)
>>> directly from the command line it works OK.
>>>
>>> Any idea?
>> Any chance your batch file is not running and the "PROGRAM TOO BIG" is 
>> refering
>> to the command processor?
>>
>> It appears like Postie is not a MsDos application, so I would think the 
>> problem
>> would be Clipper having enough room in the NTVDM to load the command 
>> processor
>> to run the batch script.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rodd Graham, Consultant
>> Graham Automation Systems, LLC
>>
>>
> 
>

Hello Moshe,

> You might be right. I don't know for sure. I attach the message I get.
> It does run under win98 but not under winXP.
> 
> And as I wrote: when I execute the batch file (postie is a command
> line
> application), while the clipper application is still on, I don't get
> the
> error message
> and it send the message.
> Is there a way to manipulate the NTVDM ?
> 

By default NTVDM uses _default.pif to configure memory if a more specific 
.pif is not used.

However, you problem is probably in the original 640K conventional memory. 
 If you are using Blinker, you should try the SwapRun functions which will 
move your Clipper outside of the 640K while the child process is running.

Regards,

Rodd Graham, Consultant
Graham Automation Systems, LLC

Hi:
good afternoon.
I had several problems running the RUN command and SwpRunCmd (of Blinker) in XP.
I solved the problems putting InKey(3) after the SwpRunCmd().
If you think it may be useful I attached the code I use.

Beling
Best regards.


Rodd Graham escreveu:
> Hello Moshe,
> 
>> You might be right. I don't know for sure. I attach the message I get.
>> It does run under win98 but not under winXP.
>>
>> And as I wrote: when I execute the batch file (postie is a command
>> line
>> application), while the clipper application is still on, I don't get
>> the
>> error message
>> and it send the message.
>> Is there a way to manipulate the NTVDM ?
>>
> 
> By default NTVDM uses _default.pif to configure memory if a more 
> specific .pif is not used.
> 
> However, you problem is probably in the original 640K conventional 
> memory. If you are using Blinker, you should try the SwapRun functions 
> which will move your Clipper outside of the 640K while the child process 
> is running.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rodd Graham, Consultant
> Graham Automation Systems, LLC
> 
> 
>

Hi,
Try with 
RUN "START /SEPARATE postie.exe params"
Regards,
Pablo Botella

hi,

> I'm using postie to send emails from clipper application. The Clipper 
> application creates a batch file and
> I use RUN CALL to run the batch file which include the postie with all its 
> parameters.
>
> No problems when running postie under win 98.
>
> When running under win xp i receive an error: "PROGRAM TOO BIG TO FIT IN 
> MEMORY"
> The RAM is 2 Giga. I've tried 3 versions of postie.exe
>
> When running the batch file (while the application is still running) 
> directly from the command line it works OK.

"CALL" will load a new Instanze from Command.COM so your
"Real" Mode (640KB) Memory will decrease.
Try MEM Command to "see" how much "Real" Mode Memory
you have left.

Using Cl*pper with Blinker you can try use "Protect" Mode AND
you have to create a Command.COM PIF File to "enable" high
Memory like EMS (not XMS).

greetings by OHR
Jimmy

Thanks to all.

I'm using: exospace for linking.
EXOSPACE PACKAGE NOVM
EXOSPACE EXECUTABLE CLIPPER //MINMEM:1800

I've tried:
RUN "START /SEPARATE postie.exe params"

but i get: "Bad command or file name".


What is puzzling me is how it runs under win98 with less ram, but not under 
win xp.

Thanks,
Moshe



"AUGE_OHR" <AUGE_OHR*AT*WEB.DE> wrote in message 
news:67832524$4bdc9198$1760@news.alaska-software.com...
> hi,
>
>> I'm using postie to send emails from clipper application. The Clipper 
>> application creates a batch file and
>> I use RUN CALL to run the batch file which include the postie with all 
>> its parameters.
>>
>> No problems when running postie under win 98.
>>
>> When running under win xp i receive an error: "PROGRAM TOO BIG TO FIT IN 
>> MEMORY"
>> The RAM is 2 Giga. I've tried 3 versions of postie.exe
>>
>> When running the batch file (while the application is still running) 
>> directly from the command line it works OK.
>
> "CALL" will load a new Instanze from Command.COM so your
> "Real" Mode (640KB) Memory will decrease.
> Try MEM Command to "see" how much "Real" Mode Memory
> you have left.
>
> Using Cl*pper with Blinker you can try use "Protect" Mode AND
> you have to create a Command.COM PIF File to "enable" high
> Memory like EMS (not XMS).
>
> greetings by OHR
> Jimmy
>

hi,

> I'm using: exospace for linking.
> EXOSPACE PACKAGE NOVM
> EXOSPACE EXECUTABLE CLIPPER //MINMEM:1800

i do not remember Exospace setting, but i know it will work
with EMS.

greetings by OHR
Jimmy

Hello AUGE_OHR" AUGE_OHR*AT*WEB.DE,

> Using Cl*pper with Blinker you can try use "Protect" Mode AND you have
> to create a Command.COM PIF File to "enable" high Memory like EMS (not
> XMS).

My experience was that protected mode Blinker on the NT kernel used DPMI 
memory only.  I was never able to use the EMS/XMS options under XP.

I also had trouble with DPMI memory occassionally exhausting.  I never traced 
the process that caused this, but was able to determine it was outside of 
the Clipper process.

FWIW, this DPMI problem along with exceeding the 64MB Blinker space is what 
caused me to updated to Xbase++.

Regards,

Rodd Graham, Consultant
Graham Automation Systems, LLC

hi,

> My experience was that protected mode Blinker on the NT kernel used DPMI
> memory only.  I was never able to use the EMS/XMS options under XP.

the "trick" is to create a PIF for Command.COM and
enable EMS in that PIF file (see Attachment)

greetings by OHR
Jimmy 

Hello AUGE_OHR" AUGE_OHR*AT*WEB.DE,

>> My experience was that protected mode Blinker on the NT kernel used
>> DPMI memory only.  I was never able to use the EMS/XMS options under
>> XP.
>> 
> the "trick" is to create a PIF for Command.COM and enable EMS in that
> PIF file (see Attachment)

I should say EMS/XMS for the Blinker protected mode space.  EMS certainly 
worked for maximizing the 1M of conventional memory.  Once Blinker protected 
mode was active, conventional memory was never an issue.  I had already tweeked 
my .PIFs to maximize Clipper/Blinker memory.

Regards,

Rodd Graham, Consultant
Graham Automation Systems, LLC

Hello Moshe,

I remembered i did set something while my clipper app cannot handle too
large the database. It quit suddenly while loading from huge database and
process update. Then i did some research and found OPTEDIT.EXE. 

What i did was to use OPTEDIT to allocate the memory. 

"OPTEDIT APP.EXE -EXTRAMIN 4096 -NOBANNER"

-EXTRAMIN is to alocate more memory
-NOBANNER is to not show the banner

You can try run OPTEDIT without parameters and it will show you how to set
it.

Hopes that help.

Frankie



On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:22:30 +0200, Moshe Yarden wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm using postie to send emails from clipper application. The Clipper 
> application creates a batch file and
> I use RUN CALL to run the batch file which include the postie with all its 
> parameters.
> 
> No problems when running postie under win 98.
> 
> When running under win xp i receive an error: "PROGRAM TOO BIG TO FIT IN 
> MEMORY"
> The RAM is 2 Giga. I've tried 3 versions of postie.exe
> 
> When running the batch file (while the application is still running) 
> directly from the command line it works OK.
> 
> 
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Moshe Yarden

Hello Frankie,

Thanks. I'll try it.

Meanwhile I found a replacement for postie - vMailer. The VMailer works ok 
from a batch file using RUN CALL within the clipper application.
However I need still to study it.


Thanks,
Moshe
"Frankie" <frankie@sabah.com> wrote in message 
news:1efr1ons9y0bw$.1knh8binuxics$.dlg@40tude.net...
> Hello Moshe,
>
> I remembered i did set something while my clipper app cannot handle too
> large the database. It quit suddenly while loading from huge database and
> process update. Then i did some research and found OPTEDIT.EXE.
>
> What i did was to use OPTEDIT to allocate the memory.
>
> "OPTEDIT APP.EXE -EXTRAMIN 4096 -NOBANNER"
>
> -EXTRAMIN is to alocate more memory
> -NOBANNER is to not show the banner
>
> You can try run OPTEDIT without parameters and it will show you how to set
> it.
>
> Hopes that help.
>
> Frankie
>
>
>
> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:22:30 +0200, Moshe Yarden wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm using postie to send emails from clipper application. The Clipper
>> application creates a batch file and
>> I use RUN CALL to run the batch file which include the postie with all 
>> its
>> parameters.
>>
>> No problems when running postie under win 98.
>>
>> When running under win xp i receive an error: "PROGRAM TOO BIG TO FIT IN
>> MEMORY"
>> The RAM is 2 Giga. I've tried 3 versions of postie.exe
>>
>> When running the batch file (while the application is still running)
>> directly from the command line it works OK.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any idea?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Moshe Yarden

Thank you all for your help.

It seems that the solution for the "program too big..." is to shorten the 
command line in the batch file, and to include the needed parameters
(to the emailer: postie) in a config file. It solved the problem.

Thanks agian,
Moshe Yarden



"Moshe Yarden" <yarden@emco.co.il> wrote in message 
news:1b9bf94b$59af3d2f$b91@news.alaska-software.com...
> Hello Frankie,
>
> Thanks. I'll try it.
>
> Meanwhile I found a replacement for postie - vMailer. The VMailer works ok 
> from a batch file using RUN CALL within the clipper application.
> However I need still to study it.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Moshe
> "Frankie" <frankie@sabah.com> wrote in message 
> news:1efr1ons9y0bw$.1knh8binuxics$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> Hello Moshe,
>>
>> I remembered i did set something while my clipper app cannot handle too
>> large the database. It quit suddenly while loading from huge database and
>> process update. Then i did some research and found OPTEDIT.EXE.
>>
>> What i did was to use OPTEDIT to allocate the memory.
>>
>> "OPTEDIT APP.EXE -EXTRAMIN 4096 -NOBANNER"
>>
>> -EXTRAMIN is to alocate more memory
>> -NOBANNER is to not show the banner
>>
>> You can try run OPTEDIT without parameters and it will show you how to 
>> set
>> it.
>>
>> Hopes that help.
>>
>> Frankie
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:22:30 +0200, Moshe Yarden wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm using postie to send emails from clipper application. The Clipper
>>> application creates a batch file and
>>> I use RUN CALL to run the batch file which include the postie with all 
>>> its
>>> parameters.
>>>
>>> No problems when running postie under win 98.
>>>
>>> When running under win xp i receive an error: "PROGRAM TOO BIG TO FIT IN
>>> MEMORY"
>>> The RAM is 2 Giga. I've tried 3 versions of postie.exe
>>>
>>> When running the batch file (while the application is still running)
>>> directly from the command line it works OK.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any idea?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Moshe Yarden
>
>