Hello together,

Ive to offer a waa-app to a customer. The samples and the sample-codes are
not the problem.

Should this customer have its own PC/ Server to host this? Whats the
cheapest way? Something like DSL-Flat, Win-Xp, Apache,...?

Can I host an WAA-App on for example strato/ tcom, 1&1 or something else?

first time in internet-apps - armin

Armin,
we set-up our own XB2.NET-app (it used to be a WAA-app) on a server at my 
flat.
This server is connected via a router supporting DynDNS and a 4MBit DSL-Line 
(which means 512 KB upload and this is the speed the customers are using 
when connecting to the server - upload speed is for you what the download 
speed is for your customers).
The router is set to automatically reconnecting to the ISP after the 24 hour 
automatically-cut-off.
The server is running now since over a year, 24/7 - no problems so far.

HTH,
Martin

Hi Martin,

thank you! Now its clearer.

Im looking on DynDNS.org - do I need a free service?
We dont  need much speed.

Armin


"Martin Altmann" <Altmann@altem.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Armin,
> we set-up our own XB2.NET-app (it used to be a WAA-app) on a server at my
> flat.
> This server is connected via a router supporting DynDNS and a 4MBit
DSL-Line
> (which means 512 KB upload and this is the speed the customers are using
> when connecting to the server - upload speed is for you what the download
> speed is for your customers).
> The router is set to automatically reconnecting to the ISP after the 24
hour
> automatically-cut-off.
> The server is running now since over a year, 24/7 - no problems so far.
>
> HTH,
> Martin
>
>

Armin,
yup! Have a look under
Services - DNS Services - Dynamic DNS
That's it! You do not have much domains to choose from - but this will be no 
problem at all if you are using a real Domain (like the ones you can get for 
free with http://www.freedoms.de/ ) you can setup a forward there.
If you own domain is www.mydomain.de you can setup a DynDNS-Domain like 
webserver.dyndns.org and within your freedoms-account you can configure a 
forward from webserver.mydomain.de to webserver.dyndns.org
So whenever one is browsing to your site webserver.mydomain.de he will be 
redirected to your PC at home via the DynDNS-Server.
This is how we configured our own site.

HTH,
Martin

Armin,

> Should this customer have its own PC/ Server to host this? Whats the
> cheapest way? Something like DSL-Flat, Win-Xp, Apache,...?

There are many roads that lead to Rome.

Martin mentioned DynDns, I myself use No-Ip (www.dyndns.org resp.  www.no-ip.org)
These are services that provide you with a name, in stead of an ip-adress.
Professionally you should go for a static IP-adress, with a domain name.

As Martin mentioned, you need a sturdy (A)DSL, keep in mind that most
home ADSL connections have an overbooking of 40x, meaning that allthough
the cable company says you have 1Mb/s, you can actually count on 1/40th Mb/s.

For professional use you need to get an overbooking of 10x or 4x which is a lot
more expensive. Bandwith/upload-speed is not the issue, a 256kb/s can transfer
a 1k html-page in no time at all, it's the traffic jams on the net that cause the delay.
Here at Visser Speciqaaltransport we have a 512/512 4x overbooked.

Webserver: I use Apache 1.3.27 on FreeSco-Linux, you can also choose Apache
for windows. It will run out of the box, but everytime you want to do something special
it will cost you a week or a few weeks to find out how. When it runs you don't have to
have another look at i. IIS is a real M$ product, looks like it is going to run out of the
box, but at a certain moment you discover that certain things do not work as they
should. When trying to correct, Bill will constantly harras you by doing something
else than you want, or telling you that what you want is either impossible, or extremely
stupid. (Apache does them standard)

There are a other webservers, which I don't have any experience with.

WAA will run on any machine, I had it on a 100MHz machine running W98SE,
having 128MB RAM, at the moment i's on a Dell optiplex 200MHz W98 with
96 MB RAM. (It's the latest 1.9 version). Soon I will replace it with a more up-to
date machine.

By the way, my Apache used to run on a 100MHz machine too, until I replaced with
a more modern machine, because of a dying north-bridge.

> Can I host an WAA-App on for example strato/ tcom, 1&1 or something else?

I guess not. I think you could opt for having the WAA-gate hosted, and the
WAA-server at location, but I don't see any real advantages over the DynDns/No-Ip
variant.

> first time in internet-apps - armin

Join the fun 
Regards,
Frans Vermeulen

Thank you Frans. At first time we dont need much speed. I see, that some
user thinking about hosting WAA-Apps.

Armin


"Frans Vermeulen" <FransV@VisSpec.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Armin,
>
> > Should this customer have its own PC/ Server to host this? Whats the
> > cheapest way? Something like DSL-Flat, Win-Xp, Apache,...?
>
> There are many roads that lead to Rome.
>
> Martin mentioned DynDns, I myself use No-Ip (www.dyndns.org resp.
www.no-ip.org)
> These are services that provide you with a name, in stead of an ip-adress.
> Professionally you should go for a static IP-adress, with a domain name.
>
> As Martin mentioned, you need a sturdy (A)DSL, keep in mind that most
> home ADSL connections have an overbooking of 40x, meaning that allthough
> the cable company says you have 1Mb/s, you can actually count on 1/40th
Mb/s.
>
> For professional use you need to get an overbooking of 10x or 4x which is
a lot
> more expensive. Bandwith/upload-speed is not the issue, a 256kb/s can
transfer
> a 1k html-page in no time at all, it's the traffic jams on the net that
cause the delay.
> Here at Visser Speciqaaltransport we have a 512/512 4x overbooked.
>
> Webserver: I use Apache 1.3.27 on FreeSco-Linux, you can also choose
Apache
> for windows. It will run out of the box, but everytime you want to do
something special
> it will cost you a week or a few weeks to find out how. When it runs you
don't have to
> have another look at i. IIS is a real M$ product, looks like it is going
to run out of the
> box, but at a certain moment you discover that certain things do not work
as they
> should. When trying to correct, Bill will constantly harras you by doing
something
> else than you want, or telling you that what you want is either
impossible, or extremely
> stupid. (Apache does them standard)
>
> There are a other webservers, which I don't have any experience with.
>
> WAA will run on any machine, I had it on a 100MHz machine running W98SE,
> having 128MB RAM, at the moment i's on a Dell optiplex 200MHz W98 with
> 96 MB RAM. (It's the latest 1.9 version). Soon I will replace it with a
more up-to
> date machine.
>
> By the way, my Apache used to run on a 100MHz machine too, until I
replaced with
> a more modern machine, because of a dying north-bridge.
>
> > Can I host an WAA-App on for example strato/ tcom, 1&1 or something
else?
>
> I guess not. I think you could opt for having the WAA-gate hosted, and the
> WAA-server at location, but I don't see any real advantages over the
DynDns/No-Ip
> variant.
>
> > first time in internet-apps - armin
>
> Join the fun 
> Regards,
> Frans Vermeulen
>
>

Hi Armin,

There are some plans to offer waa hosting. I can not say too much
right now, because we are calculating, and, and looking for what is
possible, and what not.
I think it will be in the price-range form 35-40 euro pro month and
up(depending on what your needs are). 
Then your software will have an 100Mb uplink to the internet, and the
server will be in a monitorred (24/7) datacentre.

Regards
Sander Elias

Hi Elias,

ok, thank you - Im first searching for a cheaper version.

Armin


"Sander Elias" <Sander@eso.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Hi Armin,
>
> There are some plans to offer waa hosting. I can not say too much
> right now, because we are calculating, and, and looking for what is
> possible, and what not.
> I think it will be in the price-range form 35-40 euro pro month and
> up(depending on what your needs are).
> Then your software will have an 100Mb uplink to the internet, and the
> server will be in a monitorred (24/7) datacentre.
>
> Regards
> Sander Elias