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B.I.KaarigstadSome thougts...
on Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:16:41 +0100
This was a great editor. (period)
Maybe so great the I'm willing to change  As you all know changing editors
for us programmers is more or less as serious as changing wives 
Intelihelp is great, and in particualy the part where we can define the tip
for ouer own functions
The in source debuger is great.
Project managment is good.
 My problem with this is that I want to keep all my source in one folder on
one drive and the obj/dll/exe in and other drive/folder.
This works in my current project file but not in VX.
But this I probarbly can live with .

What I miss most is :
1. Place the cursor on a function/procedure name, click a button and go
there
   (In MED I then can go to a new function/proc +++ and click another button
to set backwards)
2. When marking text I can hold the left button and move the mouse to mark,
drag the marked text to a new position an get a copy.
  I miss to use the right button to mark text in collumn mode , and drag and
drop with the right button to cut& paste
So left button :mark text, copy&paste, right button: mark text collum mode,
cut&paste
3. When cursor is placed in front/end/on  one part of a pair, the other part
is marked/highlited. Very usefull when something is wrong with structures.
In MED this works for pairs like  if/endif, do/enddo+++ and () {} []

And then I wonder:
What is the "screen" with some reselution marked on used for ?
On top there is a big (tool)-bar that is empty??? What for ?

B.I.Kaarigstad
Mike EvansRe: Some thougts...
on Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:38:34 +0200
Kaaringstad

The screen with the resolution and the empty part of the toolbar is the place with the windows controls for the full version of the
IDE (Forms- Database modeller etc).. The same is the ALT-6 keys combination.

Merry Christmas
Mike Evans



"B.I.Kaarigstad" <bkaarigs_at_online_dot_no> wrote in message news:619jr30yDHA.1976@S15147418...
> This was a great editor. (period)
> Maybe so great the I'm willing to change  As you all know changing editors
> for us programmers is more or less as serious as changing wives 
> Intelihelp is great, and in particualy the part where we can define the tip
> for ouer own functions
> The in source debuger is great.
> Project managment is good.
>  My problem with this is that I want to keep all my source in one folder on
> one drive and the obj/dll/exe in and other drive/folder.
> This works in my current project file but not in VX.
> But this I probarbly can live with .
>
> What I miss most is :
> 1. Place the cursor on a function/procedure name, click a button and go
> there
>    (In MED I then can go to a new function/proc +++ and click another button
> to set backwards)
> 2. When marking text I can hold the left button and move the mouse to mark,
> drag the marked text to a new position an get a copy.
>   I miss to use the right button to mark text in collumn mode , and drag and
> drop with the right button to cut& paste
> So left button :mark text, copy&paste, right button: mark text collum mode,
> cut&paste
> 3. When cursor is placed in front/end/on  one part of a pair, the other part
> is marked/highlited. Very usefull when something is wrong with structures.
> In MED this works for pairs like  if/endif, do/enddo+++ and () {} []
>
> And then I wonder:
> What is the "screen" with some reselution marked on used for ?
> On top there is a big (tool)-bar that is empty??? What for ?
>
> B.I.Kaarigstad
>
>
Massimo BelgranoRe: Some thougts...
on Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:56:43 +0100
I am also loving some good capability of Med
"B.I.Kaarigstad" <bkaarigs_at_online_dot_no> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:619jr30yDHA.1976@S15147418...
> This was a great editor. (period)
> Maybe so great the I'm willing to change  As you all know changing
editors
> for us programmers is more or less as serious as changing wives 
> Intelihelp is great, and in particualy the part where we can define the
tip
> for ouer own functions
> The in source debuger is great.
> Project managment is good.
>  My problem with this is that I want to keep all my source in one folder
on
> one drive and the obj/dll/exe in and other drive/folder.
> This works in my current project file but not in VX.
> But this I probarbly can live with .
>
> What I miss most is :
> 1. Place the cursor on a function/procedure name, click a button and go
> there
>    (In MED I then can go to a new function/proc +++ and click another
button
> to set backwards)
> 2. When marking text I can hold the left button and move the mouse to
mark,
> drag the marked text to a new position an get a copy.
>   I miss to use the right button to mark text in collumn mode , and drag
and
> drop with the right button to cut& paste
> So left button :mark text, copy&paste, right button: mark text collum
mode,
> cut&paste
> 3. When cursor is placed in front/end/on  one part of a pair, the other
part
> is marked/highlited. Very usefull when something is wrong with structures.
> In MED this works for pairs like  if/endif, do/enddo+++ and () {} []
>
> And then I wonder:
> What is the "screen" with some reselution marked on used for ?
> On top there is a big (tool)-bar that is empty??? What for ?
>
> B.I.Kaarigstad
>
>
Kai FroebRe: Some thougts...
on Fri, 26 Dec 2003 13:35:39 +0100
Don't worry, B.I.Kaarigstad, all what you miss is there:

> What I miss most is :
> 1. Place the cursor on a function/procedure name, click a button and
> go there    (In MED I then can go to a new function/proc +++ and click
another
> button to set backwards)

Hold down the Ctrl-Key and click on a variable, a method, a
prodecure/function
name and you will be taen to its definition. A click on the light blue
little
arrow in the upper right corner of teh editor tab window will bring
you back.

Unfortunately this seems at present only to workl within the current
prg-file. I think it should aslso work in between different files of the
project (this is also where it makes most sense).

> 2. When marking text I can hold the left button and move the mouse to
> mark, drag the marked text to a new position an get a copy.
>   I miss to use the right button to mark text in collumn mode , and
> drag and drop with the right button to cut& paste
> So left button :mark text, copy&paste, right button: mark text collum
> mode, cut&paste

You can mark a column for later copy/cut and paste in two different ways:

- by keyboard: hold down the ctrl and alt key when you move the cursor.
- by mouse: hold down shift and alt key, whuiel movuing the mouse
(I always mean the left shift/alt/ctrl key, in case that matters)

Drag and drop of marked blocks via mouse is enabled by default,
but you can disable it on teh first tab page of teh editor options if you
like

BTW, both feature (1) and (2) work same as in the Borland IDEs
(Delphi, C++ Builder, JBuilder), so may be you can find that even
more tricks of the Borland IDE editor also work in the Alska++
Editor.

> 3. When cursor is placed in front/end/on  one part of a pair, the
> other part is marked/highlited. Very usefull when something is wrong
> with structures. In MED this works for pairs like  if/endif,
> do/enddo+++ and () {} []

Well, in the Alska IDE it works at least for the () {} [] pairs: when you
place
the cursor directly behind one of these charachters (either becuase you just
type4d it
or becuase you placed your cursdor tehre for editing/nspecting), teh
coresponding
other part of the pair wuill be highlighted in dark blue.

I don't know yet if one can customie the color and/or expand it to other
pairs like if/endif.

> And then I wonder:
> What is the "screen" with some reselution marked on used for ?
> On top there is a big (tool)-bar that is empty??? What for ?

Of course both are related to formdesigner. The "screen" trool looks
very simialr to one in Visual Basic (so it seems that Alaska wanted
to include all good stuff from all well known IDEs), but only
makes sense when defining a form. So it shouldn't realy show up in
the CCE (code centered edition = VX 2.0).
Same for the big empty toolbar on the left, which should probably
contain the controls to place on a form in form designer.

HTH and all teh best,
Kai
B.I.KaarigstadRe: Some thougts...
on Sat, 27 Dec 2003 02:11:19 +0100
"Kai Froeb" <kai@froeb-software.de> skrev i melding
news:%23OMKax6yDHA.1976@S15147418...
> Don't worry, B.I.Kaarigstad, all what you miss is there:

Thanks for the clarification.  And it was good news.
but ; (everyone has a but, allways )

> Hold down the Ctrl-Key and click on a variable, a method, a
> prodecure/function

This I did not find and I have not had the time to check it out but it
sounds good.
I still want a button (hate using mouse+keyboard) but that will hopfully
come with a fully
customable toolbar, where ever command can be made into a button. Its still
a PreRelease
and thats why I make my point now....
(And it should of course work in the project and not a single file.)

> You can mark a column for later copy/cut and paste in two different ways:
Yes I noticed that, and that was good, but my point was that it is much
easyer to use the
right mouse button than a combination of keys and mouse
So I still miss that part.:
Left button ->  mark, copy&paste
Right button ->mark collum mode, cut&paste

> BTW, both feature (1) and (2) work same as in the Borland IDEs
> (Delphi, C++ Builder, JBuilder), so may be you can find that even
> more tricks of the Borland IDE editor also work in the Alska++
> Editor.
Maybe, I dont use/know any of them so I could not tell.


> Well, in the Alska IDE it works at least for the () {} [] pairs: when you
> place
> the cursor directly behind one of these charachters (either becuase you
just
> type4d it
> or becuase you placed your cursdor tehre for editing/nspecting), teh
> coresponding
> other part of the pair wuill be highlighted in dark blue.
Thats good. I did not notice that, only tested on if/endif
It is most essensial on () [] and {} becouse nested arrays can be a
nightmare.
Propperly formatted source will  display most structural errors , and as I
under-
-stand it it should be easy to write  a "integrated" tool for source
formating.

> Of course both are related to formdesigner. The "screen" trool looks
> very simialr to one in Visual Basic (so it seems that Alaska wanted
> to include all good stuff from all well known IDEs), but only

Ok, was to exited to think of it as a PRE-Release... But you are probarbly
rigth.
I just could not make any use of it and wondered.
And that is fair enough, thats becouse of my high expectation  I'll wait
and see.

> HTH and all teh best,
> Kai
Thanks for your help.

B.I Kaarigstad.

 PS: To all my fellow programmers here and there (news.alaska-software.com)
        I'll be away for a week or so. Taking a trip to Gran Canary with the
Spau (Girlfriend) and
        5 kid. First real timeoff in more than 10 year. no laptop, no
internet, not even a cellular....
        So I will not exist from tomorrow (eh.. today....) at around 1 pm
.