Hi,
just back at home from the DEVCON I want again thank the people from the XXP
usergroup for their work and all they have done for us to have a successful
DEVCON. They really gave their best. Also the speakers did a very good job.
I did learn al lot and many others told me the same.
I hope it will be possible to repeat such an event all 1 or 2 years
somewhere in the middle of Europa. The house there in the netherlands was
good for the DEVCON, food and sleeping also. Again thanks to all that were
engaged. Also it was very nice to meet so much people personally that I knew
for years from the NG.
Now I have a lot to do to sort and rework all ideas and suggestions I took
at home from the DEVCON.

Klemens

May I add my voice to the sentiments expressed - a exceeding well organised
and well run DevCon - I have learnt so much in the last two days.  To all
the speakers and organisers - your efforts are very much appreciated.  Your
time and dedication you gave is a credit to yourselves.

May there be more such events - many thanks

Alaska - thank you for your involvement and the information given - we all
look forward to 1.9 with even more anticipation - no pressure!

Best regards to all

Bruce





"Klemens Lichter" <csl@lichter.de> wrote in message
news:hxuafbcyEHA.6512@S15147418...
> Hi,
> just back at home from the DEVCON I want again thank the people from the
XXP
> usergroup for their work and all they have done for us to have a
successful
> DEVCON. They really gave their best. Also the speakers did a very good
job.
> I did learn al lot and many others told me the same.
> I hope it will be possible to repeat such an event all 1 or 2 years
> somewhere in the middle of Europa. The house there in the netherlands was
> good for the DEVCON, food and sleeping also. Again thanks to all that were
> engaged. Also it was very nice to meet so much people personally that I
knew
> for years from the NG.
> Now I have a lot to do to sort and rework all ideas and suggestions I took
> at home from the DEVCON.
>
> Klemens
>
>

It was a pleasure to meet some old and new friends, to talk about
programming, the past and the future, to learn some new stuff in excellent
sessions by Steffen, Boris, Phil, Roger and others. But compared to the
DevCons in Milano (one) and New Hampshire (two) I must say that this one in
The Netherlands was the poorest, on the organisation side. Anyway, it's more
important to support "our" language than to have a comfortable conference
with good views, good technical environment, good hotels, good meals, good
coffee support, good handouts, good general information a.s.o. - so: I'll be
there next time, wherever it will be.

Tom, Berlin, Germany.

Tom,

>It was a pleasure to meet some old and new friends, to talk about
>programming, the past and the future, to learn some new stuff in excellent
>sessions by Steffen, Boris, Phil, Roger and others. But compared to the
>DevCons in Milano (one) and New Hampshire (two) I must say that this one in
>The Netherlands was the poorest, on the organisation side. Anyway, it's more
>important to support "our" language than to have a comfortable conference
>with good views, good technical environment, good hotels, good meals, good
>coffee support, good handouts, good general information a.s.o. - so: I'll be
>there next time, wherever it will be.


Thank you for your critical remarks, they have been used with the
evaluation of the DevCon.

One thing we want to emphasise is that one of our goals with this
DevCon was, to make it affordable to any Xbase++ programmer. As a
direct consequence of this, some of the facilities were not
extraordinarily luxurious. The quality of the sessions was
outstanding, and they were abundant.

You can count on it we will be there, on the next European DevCon in
Berlin 

On behalf of the organisation of the XXP European DevCon 2004,
Sander, Peter, Jack, Frans

Sander,

"Sander Elias" <Sander@eso.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:st8qp0p6vaqu02j042kv0cbnqhq09jjaee@4ax.com...
> One thing we want to emphasise is that one of our goals with this
> DevCon was, to make it affordable to any Xbase++ programmer.

And this was much appreciated - at least from me 

> As a direct consequence of this, some of the facilities were not
> extraordinarily luxurious.

This of course should normally have been clear to everybody - one can not 
have it all for that little money!
We all are programmers (in some or the other way) and therefore used to 
getting around problems 
As for me I did enjoy those days!

Regards,
Martin

Sander Elias <Sander@eso.nl> wrote in 
news:st8qp0p6vaqu02j042kv0cbnqhq09jjaee@4ax.com:

> One thing we want to emphasise is that one of our goals with this
> DevCon was, to make it affordable to any Xbase++ programmer. As a
> direct consequence of this, some of the facilities were not
> extraordinarily luxurious. The quality of the sessions was
> outstanding, and they were abundant.

I think the facilities were fine. The food was very good, coffee, tea, beer 
and wine were readily available and although the bedrooms were small, it's 
not that important because you only sleep there for a few nights.

One thing that we want to improve in the future is to make sure we have 
readily available internet access.

Best regards,
Boris Borzic

http://www.Xb2.NET
http://www.SQLExpress.net
industrial strength Xbase++ development tools

Hi Sander,

I appreciated very much the low costs of attending the DEVCON and for that
small budget we got much more than I expected concerning food, sleeping and
drinking. All this things have been served in time they would be needed and
have been from excellent quality. Small bedrooms??? No problem, we attend
for hearing, exchanging, speaking to others,  hands-on etc., not for
sleeping. By the way, the beds have been very good and I slept very well
there.

Klemens

Hi, Sander.

Sorry, it was not my intention to critisize you for what you did in Venlo.
At least, it was a crowded, well planned DevCon in a nice ambiente. There
were some things which could have been better - and were better elsewhere -,
like the very small projection panels, web connections, tables for the
attendees and a few other things. But in general and regarding the very low
costs it was a very good DevCon. So please take my appologize for this
fast-shot on monday. 

The next DevCon should focus a little more on applications, imho.

Sorry and best regards,
Tom, Berlin.

Thomas,

> Sorry, it was not my intention to critisize you for what you did in Venlo.

I think it was your intention. And we welcome it. It's the only way to
improve ourselfs on a next occasion.

> At least, it was a crowded, well planned DevCon in a nice ambiente. There
> were some things which could have been better - and were better elsewhere -,
> like the very small projection panels, web connections, tables for the
> attendees and a few other things. But in general and regarding the very low
> costs it was a very good DevCon. So please take my appologize for this
> fast-shot on monday. 

No need to appologize. The more critisisme, the better the next time wil
be.

--

Peter Hendriks

Hi, Peter.

I had to leave on saturday, cause I had a very important date on saturday
evening in Berlin. It wasn't easy to get there, because the train from Venlo
had an accident, there seem to be almost no taxis in The Netherlands, and
it took me about two hours just to cross the border. So, I might have been a
little pissed because of that. 

The European DevCon came just in time, it was a good and very important sign
for the community, especially those who wheren't able to join the two
DevCons in the states or the one in Milano three years ago. Such an event
lives from its "sideshow", meeting others, talking about problems and views,
about the future, gathering together and making friends or meeting old
friends. The castle de Berckt is a really nice place, Venlo is an
interesting town. The sessions were packed with information, you gathered a
"Who is who" of the Xbase-community, and it is always a pleasure to listen
to Boris, Roger, Steffen, Clayton and others. Not all information were
really new, and I'd loved to have a closer look at all the wonderful stuff
done with Xbase++ - the two or three apps I saw were impressing. This is a
part which should be strongered in the future. However, everything - or most
of it - just worked fine, there were just some few things on the comfort
side which could have been better. But in general, I appreciate what you
did, especially for giving me the chance to see all the good guys and
getting a better feeling about the future of Xbase++, which is my and our
future aswell.

Tom.

"Thomas Liehr" <tl@hycare.de> wrote in news:uj1TenxzEHA.5064@S15147418:

> I had to leave on saturday, cause I had a very important date on
> saturday evening in Berlin. It wasn't easy to get there, because the
> train from Venlo had an accident, there seem to be almost no taxis
> in The Netherlands, and it took me about two hours just to cross the
> border. So, I might have been a little pissed because of that. 

Thomas don't feel so bad about this; it took me nearly the same amount of 
time to get across the border... and I had a car 

It seems that there are no straight roads in Venlo (perhaps all of Europe). 
If one starts heading down a road in one direction, they will soon find 
that they are heading in the opposite and wrong direction. One must develop 
a keen sense of direction so that they will know when it is appropriate to 
turn onto another winding road, which for a brief period, happens to be 
going in the same general direction that they want to go. 

And as I explored Venlo and the surrounding countryside, it occurred to me 
that all the street names are in competition for the Guinness Book of World 
Records for the longest name in the world 

Cheers,
Boris Borzic

http://www.Xb2.NET
http://www.SQLExpress.net
industrial strength Xbase++ development tools

"Boris Borzic" <ng-at-sqlexpress-dot-net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:Xns95A7AC37C8D21SQLExpress@217.160.95.134...
> Thomas don't feel so bad about this; it took me nearly the same amount of
> time to get across the border... and I had a car 

Ah... now I know why it was a good decision  not to use the way over Venlo
but via Aachen to drive home... It is about 30 km longer but I had only
about 1 hour to come back to the borders of Germany.

Klemens

Boris,

> It seems that there are no straight roads in Venlo (perhaps all of Europe).


The A273 along the castle is called Napoleonsbaan, indicating it is
an old roman road, that has been modernized by Napoleon (1795-1815)
in order to transport his armies. At least this was Napoleon's way of doing
it anywhere else. So by following this road south, you would have probably
ended up in Rome 

> If one starts heading down a road in one direction, they will soon find
> that they are heading in the opposite and wrong direction. One must develop
> a keen sense of direction so that they will know when it is appropriate to
> turn onto another winding road, which for a brief period, happens to be
> going in the same general direction that they want to go.

I'd guess, the Frankish right of inheritance in this area is responsible for those
kind of roads. A popular saying is, when building the road, they chased a pig,
and they built the road in the trail of the pig.

> And as I explored Venlo and the surrounding countryside, it occurred to me
> that all the street names are in competition for the Guinness Book of World
> Records for the longest name in the world 

I listened to the Belgian radio this morning, where they were searching for the
longest Dutch word used in newspapers/magazines or other media, and I think
we beat the Germans there :-S

Regards,
Frans Vermeulen

Hi Frans,

>> It seems that there are no straight roads in Venlo (perhaps all of
>> Europe). 
> 
> The A273 along the castle is called Napoleonsbaan, indicating it is
> an old roman road, that has been modernized by Napoleon (1795-1815)
> in order to transport his armies. At least this was Napoleon's way of
> doing it anywhere else. So by following this road south, you would
> have probably ended up in Rome 

Wow that's interesting, I always wanted to visit Rome. I think I got pretty 
close; if I knew the story I would have just kept going a little further 

>> If one starts heading down a road in one direction, they will soon
>> find that they are heading in the opposite and wrong direction. One
>> must develop a keen sense of direction so that they will know when it
>> is appropriate to turn onto another winding road, which for a brief
>> period, happens to be going in the same general direction that they
>> want to go. 
> 
> I'd guess, the Frankish right of inheritance in this area is
> responsible for those kind of roads. A popular saying is, when
> building the road, they chased a pig, and they built the road in the
> trail of the pig. 

I believe that, at least it's as good an explanation as any 

Best regards,
Boris Borzic

http://www.Xb2.NET
http://www.SQLExpress.net
industrial strength Xbase++ development tools

Am Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:43:50 +0100 schrieb Boris Borzic:

> 
> Wow that's interesting, I always wanted to visit Rome. I think I got pretty 
> close; if I knew the story I would have just kept going a little further 
> 
You want to visit Rome with your car? Well, that's one of the last REAL
adventures live can offer ))

Sebastian

Tom,

>"and I'd loved to have a closer look at all the wonderful stuff
> done with Xbase++ - the two or three apps I saw were impressing. "

I think you have made a good point here and I would agree that future
DevCon's should have a 'showcase' section where developers can
show/demonstrate applications.  As a beginner to Xbase++ it was
inspirational to me to see some superb application written in Xbase++.

Just another item for the 'Agenda' if others may think it to be a useful
item.

Best regards to all I met at the DevCon.

Bruce

Hello Bruce,

> I think you have made a good point here and I would agree that future
> DevCon's should have a 'showcase' section where developers can
> show/demonstrate applications.  As a beginner to Xbase++ it was
> inspirational to me to see some superb application written in Xbase++.
> Just another item for the 'Agenda' if others may think it to be a useful
> item.

Good point!. We wil keep this in mind for the next time.

Regards,
XXP Netherlands,
Jack Duijf

All,

I also felt that the Devcon was pretty well executed, especially for the 
first one being hosted by XXP.  After myself and my company hosted the first 
US Devcon in 2001 we learned a lot from the feedback received from the 
attendees (both good and bad) and were able to make improvements for the 
2002 Devcon. And I would expect that the XXP group will benefit from 
feedback (both good and bad), and use that to improve their next Devcon. I 
was in a unique position after having run 2 Devcons to fully understand the 
hard work and stress that the organizers had to deal with.  I suspect that 
they were not able to get as much technical knowledge out of the Devcon as 
the other attendees did because of all the responsibilities they had.  So 
they made some personal sacrifice to the group to host this event and we all 
should be grateful.  I know from my experience, that I was not able to 
absorb very much from the presentations because I was to busy worrying about 
stuff.

My personal observations and opinions:

- I prefer single presentations at a time, instead of simultaneous 
presentations.  I missed Steffen's database presentation because I was in an 
XB2.NET presentation.  The Devcon might have to be extended by 1/2 day to 
accomplish this, but it is a small price to pay for people who are traveling 
thousands of miles to attend.  It also makes it easier for the speakers to 
attend other presentations as well, as we must remember that these people 
are also developers and like to learn and see other products.  The single 
presentation structure allows you to save money on the rental of audio 
visual equipment, unless it is being donated by the hosts (which still has a 
wear and tear cost associated with it).

- The cost of attendance must remain reasonable.  I recall a Clipper Devcon 
I attended in New Orleans many years ago.  It cost $600.00 or $700.00 to 
attend, and you did not get very much, 1 or 2 meals that were terrible.  So 
the Devcon organizer must balance comfort (facility, meals, refreshments) 
and cost.

Final thoughts:

I get as much if not more "non technical" benefit from these Devcons through 
"networking" and cultural exposure.  I think that all developers around the 
world owe it to themselves to attend one of these Devcons.  They will leave 
with much more than a few additional technical "tricks" in their bag.  They 
will make new friends and get new perspectives on culture and the world.  My 
exposure to xBase++ over the past 5 years has not only allowed me to 
continue to earn a living with my Clipper now xBase++ application, but it 
has allowed me to make many new friends around the world that I never would 
have had the opportunity to make.

So, start saving you $$$ so that you can attend the next Devcon, where ever 
that may be. Get ready to come out of your dark office, we will provide 
sunglasses if it is to bright and sunny outside.

If the Euro keeps gaining strength against the American dollar, we can have 
the next Devcon in the US and it will only cost European attendees Euro 
$10.00 to attend!

Warm regards,


Jim Graham







"Klemens Lichter" <csl@lichter.de> wrote in message 
news:hxuafbcyEHA.6512@S15147418...
> Hi,
> just back at home from the DEVCON I want again thank the people from the 
> XXP
> usergroup for their work and all they have done for us to have a 
> successful
> DEVCON. They really gave their best. Also the speakers did a very good 
> job.
> I did learn al lot and many others told me the same.
> I hope it will be possible to repeat such an event all 1 or 2 years
> somewhere in the middle of Europa. The house there in the netherlands was
> good for the DEVCON, food and sleeping also. Again thanks to all that were
> engaged. Also it was very nice to meet so much people personally that I 
> knew
> for years from the NG.
> Now I have a lot to do to sort and rework all ideas and suggestions I took
> at home from the DEVCON.
>
> Klemens
>
>

Hello Jim,

"Jim Graham" <J.GRAHAM@PROTELEDATA.COM> wrote in message news:5AyAydlzEHA.6380@S15147418...
> All,
>
> I also felt that the Devcon was pretty well executed, especially for the
> first one being hosted by XXP.  After myself and my company hosted the first
> US Devcon in 2001 we learned a lot from the feedback received from the
> attendees (both good and bad) and were able to make improvements for the
> 2002 Devcon. And I would expect that the XXP group will benefit from
> feedback (both good and bad), and use that to improve their next Devcon. I
> was in a unique position after having run 2 Devcons to fully understand the
> hard work and stress that the organizers had to deal with.  I suspect that
> they were not able to get as much technical knowledge out of the Devcon as
> the other attendees did because of all the responsibilities they had.  So
> they made some personal sacrifice to the group to host this event and we all
> should be grateful.  I know from my experience, that I was not able to
> absorb very much from the presentations because I was to busy worrying about
> stuff.

I think the XXP guys did a fantastic job. They even managed to supply a beamer
and screen for the little "ad-hoc side-session" I held in the hands-on room. Thanks
again for that.

>
> My personal observations and opinions:
>
> - I prefer single presentations at a time, instead of simultaneous
> presentations.  I missed Steffen's database presentation because I was in an
> XB2.NET presentation.  The Devcon might have to be extended by 1/2 day to
> accomplish this, but it is a small price to pay for people who are traveling
> thousands of miles to attend.  It also makes it easier for the speakers to
> attend other presentations as well, as we must remember that these people
> are also developers and like to learn and see other products.  The single
> presentation structure allows you to save money on the rental of audio
> visual equipment, unless it is being donated by the hosts (which still has a
> wear and tear cost associated with it).

You might be right. But I think splitting the whole bunch up into some smaller
groups is a good idea. In smaller groups you're less scared to embarrass yourself
by asking a stupid question. And you're closer to where things happen.

>
> - The cost of attendance must remain reasonable.  I recall a Clipper Devcon
> I attended in New Orleans many years ago.  It cost $600.00 or $700.00 to
> attend, and you did not get very much, 1 or 2 meals that were terrible.  So
> the Devcon organizer must balance comfort (facility, meals, refreshments)
> and cost.

The quality / cost ratio couldn't have been better. Sometimes I'd have wished
for a table in the sessions, but I was fine for me without as well.

>
> Final thoughts:
>
> I get as much if not more "non technical" benefit from these Devcons through
> "networking" and cultural exposure.  I think that all developers around the
> world owe it to themselves to attend one of these Devcons.  They will leave
> with much more than a few additional technical "tricks" in their bag.  They
> will make new friends and get new perspectives on culture and the world.  My
> exposure to xBase++ over the past 5 years has not only allowed me to
> continue to earn a living with my Clipper now xBase++ application, but it
> has allowed me to make many new friends around the world that I never would
> have had the opportunity to make.

Same over here. And it's like celebrating your common profession. Maybe you
can even compare it to going to church on sundays.

>
> So, start saving you $$$ so that you can attend the next Devcon, where ever
> that may be. Get ready to come out of your dark office, we will provide
> sunglasses if it is to bright and sunny outside.
>
> If the Euro keeps gaining strength against the American dollar, we can have
> the next Devcon in the US and it will only cost European attendees Euro
> $10.00 to attend!

I'd love that. In this case you should consider moving the conference to the
Waldorf Astoria in New York. I'd be willing to spend the extra $10.00  ...

Have a nice weekend,

Michael.

"Jim Graham" <J.GRAHAM@PROTELEDATA.COM> wrote in
news:5AyAydlzEHA.6380@S15147418: 

> If the Euro keeps gaining strength against the American dollar, we can
> have the next Devcon in the US and it will only cost European
> attendees Euro $10.00 to attend!

There's something to look forward to 

Best regards,
Boris Borzic

http://www.Xb2.NET
http://www.SQLExpress.net
industrial strength Xbase++ development tools

I had a great time and learned alot.  It was good to meet again some of 
the people I met at the US DevCons, especially those from Europe.  It 
was good to also meet some new friends from Europe, especially as it was 
my first time ever to Europe.  I brought my son for a vacation also and 
we enjoyed a few days in Amsterdam and The Hague.  He really enjoyed the 
art museums.

The only minor thing I say as a problem was that I had to miss about 3 
sessions that I would have like to attend due to the schedule.  Too much 
to learn and not enough time.

Boris Borzic wrote:
> "Jim Graham" <J.GRAHAM@PROTELEDATA.COM> wrote in
> news:5AyAydlzEHA.6380@S15147418: 
> 
> 
>>If the Euro keeps gaining strength against the American dollar, we can
>>have the next Devcon in the US and it will only cost European
>>attendees Euro $10.00 to attend!
> 
> 
> There's something to look forward to 
> 
> Best regards,
> Boris Borzic

Is the presentor information available yet?  I was looking for the 
secure information so I could download the presentation information.

Cliff.

Clifford Wiernik wrote:
> I had a great time and learned alot.  It was good to meet again some of 
> the people I met at the US DevCons, especially those from Europe.  It 
> was good to also meet some new friends from Europe, especially as it was 
> my first time ever to Europe.  I brought my son for a vacation also and 
> we enjoyed a few days in Amsterdam and The Hague.  He really enjoyed the 
> art museums.
> 
> The only minor thing I say as a problem was that I had to miss about 3 
> sessions that I would have like to attend due to the schedule.  Too much 
> to learn and not enough time.
> 
> Boris Borzic wrote:
> 
>> "Jim Graham" <J.GRAHAM@PROTELEDATA.COM> wrote in
>> news:5AyAydlzEHA.6380@S15147418:
>>
>>> If the Euro keeps gaining strength against the American dollar, we can
>>> have the next Devcon in the US and it will only cost European
>>> attendees Euro $10.00 to attend!
>>
>>
>>
>> There's something to look forward to 
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Boris Borzic

Hi Clifford,
how are you doing - everything's OK?
You can download (some of) the presentations from the xxp-Website - just go 
to the same website you subscribed to the DevCon and follow the link to the 
summary.
The deep link is http://xxp.nl/html/summary.html
Then click on "Various downloads", enter your e-mail address (I assume it 
has to be the one you entered when subscribing to the DevCon) and leave the 
password blank as you do not have a password by now.
The password will be send to your e-mail address.
Now proceed by entering the password as well the next time.

HTH,
Martin

Martin Altmann wrote:
> You can download (some of) the presentations from the xxp-Website - just go 
> to the same website you subscribed to the DevCon and follow the link to the 
> summary.
> The deep link is http://xxp.nl/html/summary.html
> Then click on "Various downloads", enter your e-mail address (I assume it 
> has to be the one you entered when subscribing to the DevCon) and leave the 
> password blank as you do not have a password by now.
> The password will be send to your e-mail address.
> Now proceed by entering the password as well the next time.

I tried that 3 or 4 times during the last 2 weeks.
Never received any password 

Alain Boucher

ACTI-$OFT(r) / 2329 6684 QUEBEC INC.
1363, Des Peupliers Mont St-Hilaire,Qc
Canada J3G 4S6

Web        http://www.acti-soft.com

Montréal   514.944.4949
Canada/USA 1.877.944.4949
Fax        450.464.5726

Alain Boucher <alain.NOSPAM.boucher@acti-soft.com> wrote in 
news:6mW7w1S3EHA.6272@S15147418:

> I tried that 3 or 4 times during the last 2 weeks.
> Never received any password 

I just tried it and received 2 emails. Maybe I got one of yours 

Best regards,
Boris Borzic

http://www.Xb2.NET
http://www.SQLExpress.net
industrial strength Xbase++ development tools

What about all us that were unable to attend??

Jim

Boris Borzic wrote:
> Alain Boucher <alain.NOSPAM.boucher@acti-soft.com> wrote in 
> news:6mW7w1S3EHA.6272@S15147418:
> 
> 
>>I tried that 3 or 4 times during the last 2 weeks.
>>Never received any password 
> 
> 
> I just tried it and received 2 emails. Maybe I got one of yours 
> 
> Best regards,
> Boris Borzic

Alain,
the same with me for the first four tries.
I then send an email to the webmaster and after that it worked!

Regards,
Martin

Hello Alain,

Your registred e-mail address at the Devcon Site is
boucher@acti-soft.com
If you are not able to get a password, drop me a e-mail.

Regards,
Jack Duijf
alain.
"Alain Boucher" <alain.NOSPAM.boucher@acti-soft.com> schreef in bericht 
news:6mW7w1S3EHA.6272@S15147418...
> Martin Altmann wrote:
>> You can download (some of) the presentations from the xxp-Website - just 
>> go to the same website you subscribed to the DevCon and follow the link 
>> to the summary.
>> The deep link is http://xxp.nl/html/summary.html
>> Then click on "Various downloads", enter your e-mail address (I assume it 
>> has to be the one you entered when subscribing to the DevCon) and leave 
>> the password blank as you do not have a password by now.
>> The password will be send to your e-mail address.
>> Now proceed by entering the password as well the next time.
>
> I tried that 3 or 4 times during the last 2 weeks.
> Never received any password 
>
> Alain Boucher
>
> -- 
> ACTI-$OFT(r) / 2329 6684 QUEBEC INC.
> 1363, Des Peupliers Mont St-Hilaire,Qc
> Canada J3G 4S6
>
> Web        http://www.acti-soft.com
>
> Montral   514.944.4949
> Canada/USA 1.877.944.4949
> Fax        450.464.5726
>

Hello Alain,

Please ignore the previous post,

Your registred e-mail address at the Devcon Site is
alain.boucher@acti-soft.com

If you are not able to get a password, drop me a e-mail.

Regards,
Jack Duijf

Things are going good.  After 8 1/2 flight back plus short flights, 
finally got home  Nice to have a face with a name.  How are things going 
with you?

Thanks for the info.

Cliff

Martin Altmann wrote:
> Hi Clifford,
> how are you doing - everything's OK?
> You can download (some of) the presentations from the xxp-Website - just go 
> to the same website you subscribed to the DevCon and follow the link to the 
> summary.
> The deep link is http://xxp.nl/html/summary.html
> Then click on "Various downloads", enter your e-mail address (I assume it 
> has to be the one you entered when subscribing to the DevCon) and leave the 
> password blank as you do not have a password by now.
> The password will be send to your e-mail address.
> Now proceed by entering the password as well the next time.
> 
> HTH,
> Martin 
> 
>

Cliff,
not too bad as well 
Eagerly awaiting my Alaska Christmas present )
Our return-trip took only 6 hours - by car 

Regards,
Martin

6 miles by car is quite a long trip.  I can get from my house almost to 
St. Louis, Missouri in about 7 hours and to Chicago in about 3.5 hours 
if you exclude the traffic jam for the extra hour to go 30 miles into 
the City.

I hope I have an Alaska Christmas present also.  It might also clear up 
my wierd fatal errors.

Martin Altmann wrote:
> Cliff,
> not too bad as well 
> Eagerly awaiting my Alaska Christmas present )
> Our return-trip took only 6 hours - by car 
> 
> Regards,
> Martin 
> 
>

I try to get my password to the DevCon site.  It takes my email but I do 
not receive the password at the office.  Could you check into this.

Clifford Wiernik wrote:

> 6 miles by car is quite a long trip.  I can get from my house almost to 
> St. Louis, Missouri in about 7 hours and to Chicago in about 3.5 hours 
> if you exclude the traffic jam for the extra hour to go 30 miles into 
> the City.
> 
> I hope I have an Alaska Christmas present also.  It might also clear up 
> my wierd fatal errors.
> 
> Martin Altmann wrote:
> 
>> Cliff,
>> not too bad as well 
>> Eagerly awaiting my Alaska Christmas present )
>> Our return-trip took only 6 hours - by car 
>>
>> Regards,
>> Martin
>>

Hello Cliff.

Your registred e-mail address at the Devcon Site is 
cwiernik@virchowkrause.com
If you are not able to get a password, drop me a e-mail.

Regards,
Jack Duijf

"Clifford Wiernik" <cwsoft@charter.net> schreef in bericht 
news:aQXfe2h7EHA.6512@S15147418...
>I try to get my password to the DevCon site.  It takes my email but I do 
>not receive the password at the office.  Could you check into this.
>
> Clifford Wiernik wrote:
>
>> 6 miles by car is quite a long trip.  I can get from my house almost to 
>> St. Louis, Missouri in about 7 hours and to Chicago in about 3.5 hours if 
>> you exclude the traffic jam for the extra hour to go 30 miles into the 
>> City.
>>
>> I hope I have an Alaska Christmas present also.  It might also clear up 
>> my wierd fatal errors.
>>
>> Martin Altmann wrote:
>>
>>> Cliff,
>>> not too bad as well 
>>> Eagerly awaiting my Alaska Christmas present )
>>> Our return-trip took only 6 hours - by car 
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Martin
>>>